Reading is hard, isn't it? No, that's not what I said. Try again.

The only choice that I don't like is to have to install a bot to deal with the asinine menial tasks the new Hulk will involve.
CCP is with me on that.
So here you go, from real fitting choices we get to install a bot and defeat all your oh so needed so skillful drawbacks.
Don't delude yourselves, if this stuff goes live, miners WILL install more bots to counter it.

It's hard to find non mining tasks that can beat mining tedium, it's why bots are almost all mining oriented (then rat / hauler mission oriented, finally few are trading oriented).

mining isn't fun to begin with, having to have another account giving me things i didn't need it to give me before now is in no way making it interesting and just adding an unwanted, unneeded and unnecessary activity i have to do in order to mine.

how does this change make mining more fun, interesting, better, or anything positive?

no it isn't. a mackinaw isn't made for maximising yield.

you don't even understand the topic of discussion. stop posting.

there's a difference between fun and enjoyable. i find mining enjoyable but not fun.

it doesn't add an element of planning at all, like i said earlier it just makes me warp in and out 1 more time. that's just a waste of my time.
it doesn't reward fleets for being disciplined and organised, it just pisses off haulers because they have more crap to do. you don't gain a single goddamn thing with this new system. if we got a bigger bonus on crystal multipliers etc i'd put up with it and say "well the crystal situation is **** but at least we're getting a bonus for putting up with this bollocks"

none of it is fun, interesting or better. you're pissing off the haulers by giving them extra and pointless work, and having to warp in and out of a belt because i can't carry enough crystals just wastes my time.

and when the skiff or mack gets the yield of a hulk, i will. not that your comment is in any way related to the conversation.

how am i? i simply want my hulk to be able to hold the same amount of crystals as every other ship that uses 3 strip miners.

however due to this inconsistency and one other inconsistency i have a feeling that the hulk will have a 500m3 cargo bay tomorrow and we can all stop arguing about this.

Wtih canned Exhumers the choices are much less, the need to reload is canned as well.

So much effort... for that??
I mean, you can setup a new PI base with an expanded frigate, what's so absurd using an expensive ship to do the same?

As of now it's not a choice. The drawbacks plus the micromanagement make it quite stupid to use Hulks over Macks. Even if you both have fleet and defenders.
Unless someone wants to use bots to overcome the micromanagement part that is, but that should not be part of balancing a ship.

Expanded and rigged magnate. Used to be the most botted ship for indy missions, not sure if it's still able to go above 1km3.

See, I am an auditor. I have met every kind of people, from top famous 3rd party collateral holders to RMTers. I learned to decouple judgement and opinions from what actually happens, whether I like it or not.

Botting happens. If something stupid and bottable is introduced then it will be botted, end of. The new "mechanic" is a prime candidate to that.

You really believe botters ever care to stop and think they have to do a conscious decision to violate the EULA? They just do it and that's it.

But hey don't take my word for it.

Let's wait say 2 weeks for the bots to adapt past the next patch and then we'll see.

I mean, they bot even now, before the menial tasks are introduced, imagine after.

I don't need to be correct, it's not like they will come to ask you or me for permission or will have any moral obligation to you.

You don't fix what is not broken. Crystals gymnics was something nobody asked changes for. Maximum configurability of ship's available space was a call to pilot's preference. That's freedom. Freedom does not need to be "fixed", especially in EvE.
If we wanted freedom to be "fixed", we'd play WoW.

Edit:

Other example of freedom.

If I want to configure i.e. an Hurricane I can fit for armor tank, shield tank, buffer tank, instacane, AC fit, artillery fit, WEB + point fit.
I can even fit it to mine gas or (not really needed any more) tractor and salvage wrecks.

If tomorrow some hooligan decides to WoW-ize it so that an Hurricane will only be able to hold 100 ammo and exclusively armor tank and use ACs, then I'll do the same fuss in there as I am doing today in here, despite I could just use a Cyclone instead.

...by adding a new alt to carry the stuff?

1 - being in a fleet does require you to be able to mine every single ore that your skills allow you to. It does not mean, or imply that you need to carry every single ore type. Your agument is moot as you could also argue that you don't need to be able to shoot at every ammo range on your PvP roam.

2 - miners are not asking to be able to hold every crystal + replacements (we'll ignore the obvious fringe requests) - but rather to just keep the options they currently have for crystal choices. Is that a whine? Nope, that's feedback. Note that difference when the combat ships come up for "redesign".

3 - Get it out of your head that "miners are only in high-sec". WH residents can't "dock up" and neither can Nullsec people that don't have a local Outpost.

4 - Fleet mining is for efficiency. Repeat that for me, please .. Efficiency .. Docking up reduces your efficiency. Therefore, you must have enough cargohold space to mine with efficiency.

>> If a fleet of Skiffs can outmine a fleet of Hulks or Macks, then that's the ship that will be used. Industrial operations are always about maxing input & output.